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all right, thanks so much for joining us. that is all for "early start." i'm john berman. >> and i'm zoraida sambolin. "starting point" starts right now. our starting point this morning it's black smoke and that means no smoke. black smoke billowing from the chimney at the sistine chapel. happened minutes ago. that means cardinals have not yet picked a pope. but could we see white smoke a little bit later today? we're live in rome and at the vatican for you this morning. then an intense manhunt is over. police have a man in custody. he's accused of murdering his grandparents. right after they picked him up from prison. we'll have developing details in just moments. fire on the water. a tugboat hits a natural gas pipeline sending at least two to the hospital. we'll have the details coming up. and imagine standing on a golf course, when an 18 foot hole

opens up right beneath you. this really happened to a guy who was rescued by his friends. and better yet, he joins us live with the story. >> it's wednesday, march 13th, and "starting point" begins right now. >> welcome everybody. our starting point this morning, black smoke rising once again from the sistine chapel. it happened just moments ago. you see the pictures there. and it is a signal from the 115 cardinal electors that they still have not selected a new pope. it marks the end of a morning session that has featured so far two unsuccessful votes. the cardinals will return four hours from now or afternoon balloting. and at 12:30 this afternoon all eyes will be back on the sistine chapel's chimney where they are awaiting another smoke signal from those cardinals, if they fail to choose pontiff voting concludes for the day at 2:00

p.m. want to begin in rome. chris cuomo is anchoring our coverage this historic morning. he's joined by anderson cooper, john allen, cnn senior vatican analyst and correspondent for the national catholic reporter. gentlemen, good morning. >> good morning to you. we're still here waiting for the pope. as part of smoke watch i guess what we can tell you is obviously the smoke was black. it was less than what we saw last night. i guess they did. it also seemed to be two-staged. which john you suggests could be because two votes to burn. >> that's right. they had two rounds of balloting this morning. each of them 115 ballots and all the notes. because there's not supposed to be any written record whatsoever of what goes on inside the sistine chapel. when i interviewed the papal master of ceremonies after the conclave of 2005 he told me there were occasions where we saw two bursts of smoke because they simply couldn't cram all of that stuff in at once. part of the pageantry of this,

of course, the chimney, the stove they use is from 1939. it's just a big, black kettle stove. nothing sophisticated. there's a secondary unit that injects the chemical packs to help color the smoke which so far seems pretty good. the smoke wasn't as dark but it seemed to be there. the important thing is obviously the significance. three votes, no pope. john you had suggested this is a super tuesday of the conclave. that this is when the leaders must show that they should be a front-runner, or they go. >> it's the make or break moment for whoever was at the head of the pack last night. i mean, you know, to extend the metaphor. last night is the new hampshire primary. we find out who has legs as a candidate. today is super tuesday in the sense that whoever that front-runner is, either closes the deal or begins to lose ground, in which case the cardinals realize this person may not get to that magic two thirds threshold of 77 votes and we're going to have to find someone else. >> and a large crowd had assembled this morning waiting for several hours wanting to be there to see the smoke, whether

it was white or black, want to kind of witness the history of it. that crowd is starting to fade. you can see people starting to walk away. no doubt a lot more people will be coming back this afternoon. and with each passing hour, the crowd will be building, with each passing day, in anticipation. >> well, sure, because with each round of balloting it becomes more and more probable that we're going to get a pope soon. it was somewhat -- it was a very remote possible ability that we could get a pope this morning. this afternoon and certainly if this goes into tomorrow, i think this crowd will swell. because if you're going to be there when the the -- >> getting a note, black smoke was officially at 11:39. earlier than we had been anticipating. the rationale, smoke came earlier because once they're familiar with voting they can move more quickly in terms of casting ballots. that's a little bit of a mystery answered there. >> the voting process, when we think of a conclave i think a lot of people might think they're actually discussing things inside the sistine

chapel, as we've been discussing, that's not the case. it's much more akin to a religious ceremony than it is kind of an actual discussion. >> yeah. what happens inside the sistine chapel is much more like going to church than going to a political. they pray, fill out their ballots in absolute silence, process up, drop them and so on. it's all carefully choreographed, and it's heavily ritualized. so there's nobody standing up and giving a speech and saying let's vote for that guy. that goes on in another venue which is the hotel on vatican grounds. right now they're having their lunch. >> this being rome it is a rather long break. >> yeah. this is not running to the burger king and getting back to your day. it's typical roman lunch, takes two or three hours. they will be off the clock from noon until about 4:00. and yes, this is when a lot of work gets done. this is when a lot of discussion gets done, and as we were

talking about last night, after last night's vote, there would be discussions after dinner, probably maybe even late into the night. >> of course it depends on whether they get a pope this afternoon or not. again we don't know the dynamics. it could well be that somebody is just a few votes short of that two-thirds threshold, in which case it's almost going to be a celebration. they're going to know and they're going to relax. now it could also be that those votes are spread among two, three, four, five candidates, and they're going to go in knowing they have an awful lot of heavy lifting to do if they don't want this conclave -- >> they have to send a big message with this decision. because catholic or not the world is watching this church to see if this next pope is a reflection of an urgency about the issues that this church faces. the mood, obviously, most there at st. peter's square. had been a big crowd anticipating. will be back later. miguel marquez, what was the reaction to the early smoke? >> well, there was a big, huge

reaction. i don't think anybody was expecting that. now that they've seen that black smoke, people here in rome are voting with their feet by coming. it appears police have shut off the roads around vatican city and people streaming in at the moment. i think the expectation is that we may have a pope, and white smoke this afternoon. i'm with three very lucky -- here in rome, kevin, and molly. amazing my head still works. how is it to be -- >> well it's complete history. we've never had a pope step down completely under his own will. and so it's just amazing to be here for that. and then to be here to witness this craziness that's the conclave. >> and when you see the white smoke, what will that be like? >> it will be incredible. history. honestly it's going to be a dream. >> why such a big decision this

year? how important is it this year? >> i think it's really important you know. the church really needs some direction, and i think that this is going to be the year. >> what is your feeling? how great are your hopes, how high are your expectations right now? >> well, i think that right now, we're kind of just going to see. but i think that the cardinals will make a good choice. my host mom here is rooting for card until o'malley from boston. >> all right. we'll see. host mom gets a vote. if she does, chris, it's o'malley apparently. this place is getting jam packed. back to you guys. >> archbishop cardinal up in boston, obviously. ordinarily you'd laugh that off but fair to say john allen, the first time we're mentioning an american as a legitimate part of the dialogue of becoming pope. >> i think that's a major part of the conclave. in the old days the idea used to be you can't have a pope from the united states because you can't have a superpower pope.

you know, america already has too much influence. everybody would think the cia is somehow managing what happens at the vatican. but you know, we live in a different world. america is no longer the only superpower. my experience with interviewing catholic bishops when you say the word superpower to them, they don't think of the united states, they think of china. so that's changed the calculus somewhat. and there are a couple of americans who are plausible candidates this time. the very media savvy and charismatic cardinal timothy dolan of new york and cardinal o'malley from boston, simple, humble man wearing plain, brown habit, in a country where franciscans are rock stars, which italy certainly is, o'malley has exercised the kind of, you know, fascination in the streets of rome that is just incredib incredible. the bar, the roman coffee shops, i was getting a cappuccino this morning and the two girls who work behind the bar were asking me, please, please, please, will the church give us cardinal

o'malley as pope? that just tells you the buzz in the street. >> hear from that american, his host mother, they are hoping it's cardinal o'malley. cardinal timothy dolan had gotten a lot of press before this conclave began but o'malley really does seem to be getting a lot of attention. >> i think it's a combination of two things. one is the franciscan bit. which is a religious order founded by francis of assisi and for italians who are used to thinking of clerics, and particularly cardinals, as aloof and aristocratic and given to intrigue, the franciscans are the polar opposite of that. they're simple, humble, close to the people. dolan, however, is very intense. >> and cardinal o'malley has received credit here for his handling of some of the sex abuse scandal/ >> absolutely. he profiles as a reformer, not from his record in boston, but the two diocese he's been in before he faced similar problems on a smaller scale and had a

similar track record as a reformist. >> we're getting word there will be a presser from the vatican at 1:00 p.m. local, 8:00 a.m. eastern standard time. we'll be monitoring that, if anything significant to tell we'll come to you. until then, soledad. the three of us here on smoke watch. >> all right, gentlemen, thank you very much. as the catholic faithful wait for news of a new pope, new this morning the catholic archdiocese in los angeles has struck a deal to settle sex abuse lawsuits. they've agreed to pay nearly $10 million to four different victims allegedly abused by a defrocked priest who is now serving time in prison. the suit claims cardinal roger mahoney knew the priest's behavior and allowed him to continue in his position. right now mahoney is in rome taking part in the conclave. want to get to monsignor hilgartner. nice to have you with us. really appreciate it. how does it feel, this l.a. story, the cardinal who's now in rome, it's a big deal here in the united states, how much of a distraction, a problem, how big of a deal is it there inside the

conclave? >> well, because they're cut off from the outside world, they don't know. unless this happened and they were able to communicate with cardinal mahoney before they entered into the conclave yesterday, they have media silence. it's not like they can go back to their rooms at the domus santa marta and put on the tv and check their e-mail. >> so there is a chance they're operating without really having any knowledge about this. >> correct. it really depends on how -- when that went down, and were they able to notify cardinal o'malley since he was involved in that. obviously so it's possible that they have no idea that this happened. >> we look at these pictures of the black smoke, and it was really interesting. john was on the air and i was watching it. about 20 minutes earlier, everybody thought the vote would come in. how likely does it make it that the next vote, in fact, will be aim successful vote? >> well, as john allen just said, we really don't know. there are lots of scenarios. i think that the longer it goes, the more outside the box they'll be thinking.

and so, there are a lot of pundits who were saying that a quick conclave would mean an italian pope. if it means trying to break a logjam or a tie between some kind of voting blocs, then the compromise candidate starts to enter into the picture, and maybe that's where we start to see somebody that perhaps nobody's even thought of. we've got all these short lists of 10, 12 names, and depending upon how things go during their conversations, somebody else gets surfaced, and suddenly rises to the top and it might be somebody that's not even been on a list. >> a winning pope would need 77 ballots out of the 115 votes to be elected. give me a sense of, the way you described it, i guess gives me some insight in this which is you have, say five, six people who are now on this list. does it work that you just sort of narrow it down, the bottom two fall off, or as you say, is it possible that sort of new names keep resurfacing?

>> well, prior to this year, before the last revision of the rules, they could just keep this logjam going for 21 days, and then it moved to a simple majority. and that doesn't happen now. pope benedict changed the rule to say it has to be a two-thirds majority. so there really has to be support and consensus among the body, which makes good sense. the only difference will be if they get through the end of this week and take the day off, he they return, only the top two names from the last ballot appear on the ballots from then on. >> so it's a winnowing process? >> right now it happens as the natural process. so there may -- we don't know how many names were on the ballot. in the first ballot yesterday you could have had people voting for their friends or trying to honor somebody with some votes because they knew they would never get elected and the winnowing naturally as people gravitate into camps, and it all happens silently, of course, other than the conversations around the dinner table later today, what's going on now. so between now and the end of

the week, the process is this natural process as votes start aligning. after that, if they have to go through the day of pause for prayer and discussion, then only two names appear on the ballot. >> i have absolutely no time to ask you this question, but i'm going to ask anyway, holy week obviously is so crucial and so important and such a focus for the catholic church but i wonder if there's a sense to the cardinals that this has to get done to meet that deadline. >> there probably is. it's an artificial deadline because it doesn't have to happen. but, they don't want to stay in this sequester long. they don't want to be there. and in the 20th century, no conclave ever lasted longer than four days. >> and you threw in the sequester word, really, monsignor? nice to have you with us. as always we appreciate the insight. coming unin our next hour we'll talk with the retired archbishop of washington, part of the conclave that chose pope benedict xvi. and for the first time since the conclave started we're expecting a live news conference at 8:00 a.m. eastern, less than an hour

from now. we're going to bring that to you live when that happens. other stories making news? >> thanks, soledad. an apparent home invasion that turned into a hostage situation in maryland is now over. but the search is on for the suspect. police in jessup maryland say five people, three adults and two children, were inside the home at the time. police managed to get inside and make sure that everyone was safe. a standoff comes to a dramatic end in oregon. 26-year-old michael boysen suspected of killing his grandparents in washington state and stealing their car. he has been captured. boysen was just released from prison on friday. his grandparents picked him up from prison. they were found dead the next day. a tactical team forced its way into buoyson's beachside motel room in oregon last night. they used water cannons to blast down part of the door. he reportedly suffered self-inflicted cuts. he was placed into an ambulance waiting right outside. happening right now a factory up in flames. between 40 and 50 firefighters have been battling this huge

blaze at a vacant factory in eastern alabama all night. it was reported around 7:00 p.m. tuesday. the plant's been closed since 2008. so far, it's just a spectacular fire, no injuries have been reported. meanwhile an intense, dangerous fire on the water. the coast guard now says it's going to let a barge and pipeline fire off the coast of louisiana burn itself out. it started when a tugboat pushing the barge hit a natural gas line. flames shot about 1,000 feet into the air. our affiliate wwl reports one person on the tugboat was burned over 75% of his body in critical condition right now this morning. a second person was reportedly injured when he was knocked off that boat. soledad? >> all right. there's a teacher who's missing in new orleans and now there's a frantic search under way for her. what exactly happened to this young woman? we'll have a live report up next. [ man ] i got this citi thankyou card and started

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what's the rush? be happy. be healthy. a desperate search is on for a missing new orleans school teacher. 26-year-old terrilynn monette vanished without a tries in new orleans just about two weeks ago. police say she was celebrating at a bar when she was last seen. cnn's nick valencia is live in new orleans for us this morning. nick, good morning. >> good morning, soledad. answers appear to be in short supply as to the whereabouts of 26-year-old terrilynn monette. she went missing at this bar on march 2nd. authorities tell cnn there are no new leads in her search. it's well into its second week, an intense search for a recently honored school teacher. her family and friends are grossing increasingly desperate. >> i'm just breaking.

i just want my baby back. i just want her back. >> reporter: police say terrilynn monette, 26-year-old transplant from california who taught second grade, was last seen on march 2nd. this popular bar in the lake view area of the city. friends told cnn affiliate wwl monette was all celebrating her recent nomination for teacher of the year, turning one of the lowest performing classes into one of the highest achievers in just months. the bar's general manager told cnn she appeared to have too much to drink and was cut off by a bartender. police said she then decided to sleep it off in her car. police say a witness saw monette in the parking lot talking with a man around 4:00 a.m. officers questioned him, but he has not been named a suspect and is not being held. her car, a 2012 black two-door honda accord, has not been found, either. and monette's mother believes foul play was involved. >> i really do believe someone took my daughter. someone literally got in her

car, and took her. that's what i feel like. you know, i could be wrong, but that's how i feel. i don't think she's let someone into her car. if she did, it was someone that she knew. i don't think she would have let a stranger into her car. >> reporter: police are checking tips, revealing surveillance tapes from local businesses and searching local parks and waterways, for any clues in the teacher's disappearance. soledad, new this morning, equusearch, that mounted search and rescue team from texas, they're expected to help out with the search today. they'll be searching lola goons and waterways looking for any signs of terrilynn monette. >> oh, my goodness what a terrible, terrible story. that poor mother. nick valencia this morning with his report. coming up in our next hour we're going to be talking to toni enclade, terrilynn's mom. you heard a little bit of what she was saying to nick in his report. coming up next, right now communities in three states are reeling after major car wrecks

claim the lives of 15 teenagers. take a look at what's being done to keep children safe behind the wheel. live report coming up next.

this week communities in illinois and texas and in ohio all reeling from startling series of fatal car accidents that claimed more than a dozen young lives. the number of fatal crashes involving teenagers is on the rise. and driving instructors across the country hope that these tragic wrecks will at least send an important message about safety. want to get right to cnn's george howell live for us in atlanta this morning. hey, george. >> soledad, good morning. when you look at the statistics about teenagers and safety on

these highways, the stats are alarming. teenagers are three times more likely to be involved in fatal wrecks on the roads. that's according to the cdc. and the sheer number of teenagers killed recently has a lot of people talking about safety. three tragic car wrecks in three different states claimed the lives of 15 teenagers in a matter of just three days. the most recent near chicago. authorities found four teenagers dead after they believe the driver lost control on a patch of water or ice and slammed into a creek. before that five teenagers were killed in a fiery crash at an intersection in the texas panhandle. police say their suv ran a stop sign and come identified with a fuel tanker whose driver was severely burned. and in ohio investigators say an suv took a curve too fast and flipped over into a small lake, killing six of the eight teens in the packed vehicle. >> i don't know if she lost

control, she jerked, or how fast she was going. >> reporter: car crashes are the leading cause of death for teenagers ages 15 to 20, according to the national highway traffic safety administration. at tag ert's driving school in georgia, teenage students are given a quick reality check. hat do you tell teenagers about driving on the roads? >> the first 15 minutes of class, i have the students randomly, it's every third student is what it is. and i have them stand up. and then they have them look around in the classroom, and i said all right. this is a third of the students. the first year you drive, a third of you will be in an automobile accident. >> reporter: accidents caused by everything from distracted driving to drunk driving. a study by the governor's highway safety association shows the number of fatal crashes for 16 and 17-year-olds rose 19% during the first six months of 2012. from the same period a year

earlier. >> we're going to go around the course. this is a closed course. this is the first part of the person's driving. >> reporter: even first-time drivers like cali have firsthand knowledge of the risks. >> there's a girl at my school that died last year. a lot of people are really disturbed by that. makes sense. >> so soledad, you know, in the story you heard about the sharp increase recently. but putting it in perspective, the insurance institute for highway safety, they show that there has been a dramatic decrease in teen-related fatal crashes from more than 8,000 in 1975 to more than 3,000 in 2011. the cdc attributes that to seat belt laws and graduated license programs. so that is some good news. but still a scary situation for teens on these roads. >> and a scary time with the number of young people who died in this terrible high profile crashes. george howell for us, thanks. still ahead on "starting

point," day two. high school football players will go on trial accused of raping a teenage girl. pivotal role that social media will play in this case up next in a live report. and google admits to a major breach of privacy. what this means for the internet giant is straight ahead.

welcome back, everybody. the world's 1.2 billion catholics, there is still no pope this morning. black smoke rising from the chimney atop the sistine chapel. happened about 60 minutes ago. that signal from the 115 cardinal electors that they still have not agreed on a new spiritual leader. that marks the conclusion of the morning session. the cardinals now return to the sistine chapel three and a half hours from now. and at 12:30 this afternoon, all eyes back on that chimney waiting the next smoke signal.

someone was saying yesterday, maybe it was arianna huffington, it's the opposite of twitter. smoke signals, twitter, completely the opposite. >> why can't they just text it? >> one would imagine there would be easier ways. if they fail to choose a pontiff before 2:00 p.m. deadline voting will conclude for that day and will roll into the next day. want to bring in our team this morning. how ard kurtz, the host of cnn's "reliable sources" washington for "newsweek." editor in chief of the daily. and it's nice to have you all with us this morning. appreciate it. >> good morning. >> are you finding yourself riveted to the chimney and the smoke? >> absolutely. i can't get enough of it. >> are you catholic? >> i am. >> there are some who are riveted and are not catholic. i just think the whole pageantry around it and the history behind it is so fascinating. although when the smoke first came at about 20 minutes of 7:00, it looked white at times. >> it did. >> it looked grayish.

>> it's not going to be -- sometimes it isn't all white. so you were right to analyze it. >> we have these journalistic army trying to predict which one will happen. the whole thing is so shrouded in secrecy. there's no political consultants, there's no polls. >> we take polls anyway and ask political consultants anyway. >> i think we've heard more positive things about the catholic church in the last two weeks because of the conclave. seems to me they should institute term limits and do this every four or eight or ten years because this has been an amazing pr bonanza for the catholic church. >> i completely agree with you on that. fascinating. we're also interested so we'll continue to cover it. we'll know the next vote at roughly 2:00. they jumped the gun a little bit, 20 minutes early this morning. 2:00 and then they'll wrap up for the day. if they haven't made a decision it rolls into the next day. there are other stories making news. the town of steubenville, ohio, has been rocked by allegations that two of its star high school football players raped a 16-year-old girl last summer.

prosecutors say she was too drunk to consent. this case has drawn national attention and this morning the two teens go on trial. cnn's poppy harlow has been covering the story for months is live in steubenville, ohio. good morning, poppy. >> good morning, john. this is a small town of about 18,000 people in the ohio valley, and it has been famous for its winning high school football team the steubenville big red. truly the pride of this town. but the national spotlight for months now has been on the alleged rape of a 16-year-old girl by two of those players. social media has been at the heart of all of it. this picture sparked outrage. a photo of a seemingly unconscious teenage girl, carried by two young men now about to stand trial, accused of raping her. both 16. both star players on the powerful steubenville high school football team say they are innocent. >> at this point, we have denied

the allegations. >> she got -- not once did you hear her say or any witness say -- >> reporter: not so says the prosecutor. >> she was unresponsive, not in a position to consent, they knew about it, and let's be clear, they knew -- >> reporter: police say the rape occurred on august 11th after a varsity football scrimmage. three days later the accuser's mother went to the police with a flash drive, including tweets and other possible evidence. social media was abuzz with tweets and videos by fellow teens referring to that night in a vulgar manner. song of the night is definitely rape me by nirvana. richmond and mays were arrest. but critics accuse law enforcement of not being aggressive enough. >> you're a football player

you've got to do what you want as long as you have a winning season. >> is preferential treatment being given to these boys because they're part of a football team? >> no. that's not true. they're facing charges. no. >> reporter: the sheriff believes some of what is being posted online and on social media about the case is false. >> it gives us a black eye. when you have people continue to put false information out there, you know, it starts to make it go away. >> reporter: steubenville police chief bill mccarerty says despite many pleas few witnesses came forward. >> the thing i found was depending on who was actually there, why didn't somebody stop them? >> reporter: this once thriving eastern ohio steel town now a shell of its former self, struggling economically. big red football one of the few bright spots. but today, it's this alleged rape that has the town in the spot light. now mays and richmond are both being charged with rape. trend mays is also being charged

with distributing a photo of a nude minor through a text message. the attorney for malik richmond has actually filed a motion to dismiss this case so that will be heard first thing this morning when court begins in just a few hours. because these two boys are being tried as juveniles, if they're found guilty the maximum they could serve is until they're 21 years old. however, they would have to register as sex offenders for the rest of their life. and, john, the key argument here is going to be consent. you've heard that from both sides. did this girl consent to anything? or was she too intoxicated to know what was happening? that is at the core of this trial, which is a bench trial. no jury. the judge will make the decision by sunday. john? >> poppy, so often as with sexual assaults, so many people watching this case in steubenville, ohio. a 13-year-old missouri boy has died two days after he was pulled from the swimming pool at

disney's top century resort. he was swimming sunday night with family members when he was spotted in about four feet of water by a cousin who pulled him out. there was no life guard on duty at the time. the orange county sheriff's office says the boy died tuesday morning. they did not have a cause of death. colorado the latest state to allow same sex civil unions the colorado civil union act passed tuesday in that state's house of representatives. it goes into effect may 1st. this happens just weeks before the u.s. supreme court hears arguments on whether gays can legally marry. nine states along with district of columbia have already passed laws realizing same-sex marriage. mississippi lawmakers seem to have no problem with supersize sugary drinks. in a 50-1 vote the state senate approved an anti-bloomberg bill that would prevent similar efforts in their state. the measure now goes to the governor for his signature. bryant says the proposal is now under review. a recent report claims that

mississippi has the nation's highest rate of adult obesity at 34.9%. >> i was going to say, if it's not the highest, it's up with the highest there, and i wonder what the correlation is on that. >> a 50-1 vote in the state senate. >> they're sending a message, the anti-bloomberg bill. >> 36 minutes after the hour. google has reached a multimillion dollar settlement over how it selected its map i78ages. the tech giant is paying 37 states a totals $7 million. google admitted when it sent around cars with cameras to collect images for its street view component the cameras also collected information like pass words and e-mails from unencrypted wi-fi networks. critics do note that the $7 million settlement is not enough. google brings in sales of more than $100 million every single day. >> what do they do with that information? that's the interesting thing. >> it's the fact that they can get it that's concerning to so many people. >> and what did they do with it? if they're collecting it. why do you have -- they sell it, right? >> if they're collecting it can

anybody drive down the street and collect -- >> they certainly can. and that's why you should lock your wi-fi. carry on, john. >> all right we have a little hockey talk happiness for former president george h.w. bush. the 88-year-old made a cameo at the school of government and public service that bears his time at texas a&m university. he thought this was going to be a regular photo-op. instead he was greeted by a flash mob. the video just made its way to youtube. his granddaughter jenna bush hager i think you see her here. she was also there. she played a keel role kind of whispering into her grandfather's ear explaining what was going on. he may not have seen too many flash mobs. the song -- >> granddad this is a flash mob. it's when everybody does the same dance. >> the song was boot scootin' boogie.

they changed the lyrics, it became bushwhack boogie. >> they shut have danced. >> ahead this morning, a golfer who was rescued after he fell through an 18 foot deep sing hole that opened up beneath him on the fairway. we'll tell you what those terrifying moments felt like. that's ahead. for your first day?

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so dwight howard who is now with the lakers, played his old team the orlando magic last night. and let's say that magic fans were not all that happy to see him. joe carter has our bleacher report. >> good morning, soledad. they don't really like him very much in orlando because when he

left it really wasn't a clean break. sort of kept magic fans guessing would he stay, would he go. so obviously he left behind as you'll hear a lot of bitter fans. >> number 12, dwight howard. -- >> so there you have it. fans actually tried to boo him. the entire game to distract him but it didn't work. every time he touched the ball he seemed to score some points. the orlando strategy was hack him every time he touched the ball. that didn't work either because he scored 25 of his 39 points from the free-throw line. lakers go on to win by nine. howard afterwards, a parting message for his old fans. >> i forgive them you know, everything, whatever happened, you know, it's just behind. i can't let it affect. >> the miami heat won again last night. make it 19 wins and counting. the team crushed the atlanta hawks. lebron made three slots but as you see he helped in other ways.

dwyane wade picked up the slack. miami goes for win number 20 in a row tonight. only three teams in nba history have won 20 in a row during a season. check out this jack rabbit. yes he's very happy because south dakota state got into the ncaa last night by winning the summit league final. fans storming the court there. also on the court, long island brooklyn, they got in last night. third straight ncaa tournament appearance. liu won the northeast conference tournament and valparaiso also going to the big dance. they are the horizon conference champions. the first time in nine years that they'll be headed back to the ncaa tournament. our friends at bleacherreport.com have realtime bubble watch updates as we get closer to selection sunday. find out who's in and who's out. want to win three tickets to the final four? it's as simple as getting a vasectomy. the tournament is in atlanta so a local medical office in

georgia is offering two free tickets to the tournament if you come in. >> you don't win, you still have had a procedure, and you're off your feet for the weekend to watch basketball. i mean it truly is a win-win situation. >> win-win i guess depends on who you're asking. so here's the catch, you come in, you can get a vasectomy, you can put your name in a drawing. but you don't necessarily have to get the procedure. they say if you just come in for the consultation your name gets put in the drawing. >> not quite a win-win then. i'll tell you this, when you were saying hey you want tickets? john berman was like yes! -- no. >> i can still watch on tv. >> you can just take the weekend off. joe carter, thanks. swallowed by a sinkhole. i man who was literally sucked into the earth when he was playing golf, miraculously he survived. we're going to hear him from up next. with the spark miles card from capital one, bjorn earns unlimited rewards for his small business. take these bags to room 12 please.

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welcome back to "starting point" everyone. a couple stories to tell you about. george t. bush the son of jeb bush and the grandson of george h.w. bush is running for texas land commissioner. a position seen as a jumping-off point for a more prominent statewide career. a conservative activist told cnn

that he is said to be more conservative than his grandfather and than his grandfather and more conservative than his uncle, george w. bush. curiosity, the mars rover says yes there could have been life on mars. a chemical analysis from the powder of the robot's dig shows conditions did exist that could have supported life on the red planet. there is evidence that water flowed there some 3 billion years ago and it would have been drinkable. so if you were there some 3 billion years, you could have a drink. >> how many other texas land commissioners, do you think people are talking about their run? >> there aren't that many state wide offices. in all honesty and they all do matter and many are seen as stepping stones. >> if he weren't a bush, we wouldn't care. >> i remember the 2000 convention, where he was sort of rolled out. and everybody was bowing down and saying he was a rock star.

>> the pressure on the middle initial. not just a bush grandchild. what middle initial will stand out? >> let's talk about what happened on the golf course. a sinkhole opened up under a guy golfing, he was playing the fairway on the 14th hole in waterloo, illinois, when he was swallowed by an 18-foot sinkhole. his friends raced to help, managed to get him out after 20 minutes. mark joins us by phone. home in st. louis, missouri. mark, thank you for talking us with. there you are. i thought we would get you by phone, there are you in person. our signal is working. >> hi, there. >> how are you doing? you dislocated your shoulder in all of this. how are you feeling? >> i'm doing okay. a lot of pain, not much sleep, but feel very fortunate that the shoulder was the only injury. >> i bet you do. walk us through exactly what happened. you are on the fairway. >> i was on the fairway. i was on the fairway on the 14th

hole. laid out my second shot on the par 5. a couple buddies, on the left side in the trees skipping out and trying to find yardage for my friends, and noticed an an only lea anomoly, a bathtub shaped, and i thought it was a little unfair to play out of that, and i took one step and i was gone. >> you fell 18 feet i guess to the bottom of this hole. >> yeah, at first i just -- i actually thought about the poor family in florida, it's been on the news a lot, the sinkhole issue down there and just darkness, hoping to land on something, sometime soon and hopefully not hard. >> you told your friends to go get rope and to help you. it took them only 20 minutes. describe for me what they were able to do. >> we were luckily only about

14th hole to leave the clubhouse again, only 300, 400 yards away from the clubhouse. once i got down there and was able to adjust mis to the light, i realized there was no way out except straight up, and i didn't have the use of my left arm, dislocated my shoulder at some point in the fall, i knew i needed a ladder, i knew i couldn't pull myself out there by miyself. >> they could put a ladder down for you? >> there was a mound in the middle of the cave like room. the ladder barely reaches top of this mound. it was straight up, the top of the ladder -- i don't know if you seen a picture of it, at the top with the level of the ground, it didn't reach my much. >> we showed pictures of this massive hole, when they excavated it, you can see how giant it was. what happens now?

are you -- you must be so terrified and concerned about going to play golf again? >> yeah, i mean, it's -- it was a little traumatic. i went to have an mri done yesterday and i'm not too claustrophobic, i had a couple of panic attacks. tried to put me in the machine a couple of times, i pressed the button. probably affected me a little bit. can't wait to get healthy and get back on the course. >> i'm surprised to hear you say that. >> i want to keep playing, of course. yeah. maybe they make snowshoes with golf spikes on them. >> how does your wife feel about that? >> she is a little freaked out herself. >> i can imagine. mark mihal, so glad to see are you well. covering that terrible story out of florida where the man did not survive. >> i'm glad to be here. >> thank you for talking to us.

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welcome, everybody. our starting point this morning, breaking news, no decision on a pope. black smoke this morning from the sistine chapel. could we see a choice made this afternoon? live for you in rome this morning. a frantic search for a missing second grade teacher in new orleans. we'll talk to her mother about where the investigation stands. a truck crashes into a house, causing both to burst into flames. one of the first responders on the scene has a surprising connection to the home. later this mour, celebrity trainer jillian michaels joins us with advice from her new

book, called "slim for life." "starting point" begins right now. welcome, howard kurtz of cnn's reliable sources, and newsweek's daily beast. and lauren ashburn of the daily download and author of "the secrets of happy families." and bruce feller. we saw black smoke rising above the chapel at sistine chapel. 115inal electors. two unsuccessful votes. cardinals will return in 3 1/2 hours for the afternoon vote. 12:30 eastern is the next time we could see a smoke signal. if they fail to choose a pontiff, voting concludes at 2:00 p.m. for the day. let's go to chris cuomo in rome. >> reporter: how are you?

three votes, no pope. okay? that was somewhat anticipated. john allen has been saying that today is somewhat like the super tuesday when it comes to the conclave. a leader will have to show they could get 77 votes or they either show or go and maybe they start discussing new names altogether. we are in what could be the most important period of the day, not just because they get to eat lunch and have a little proposal or rest. this is when they can meet, when they can talk, when they can have the types of hard discussions to clarify the voting. once they re-enter the conclave, it's not a time to politic. it's a prayerful proceeding. another headline from here, one of the reasons we know why the smoke was a little bit ahead of schedule today, the vatican came out and gave a statement about it, it confirmed that the voting went more quickly, and the cardinals were more used to the procedure. also having a press conference

at 1:00 p.m. local time. also unusual during the conclave. are these signs of change? we don't know. but it's unusual, soledad. >> chris cuomo, watching it all. thank you. let's get to richard hilgartner and a retired archbishop of washington joins us from rome. and he was part of the conclave that helped elect benedict xvi. thank you for joining us. we head into the full day of multiple rounds of voting. give me a sense, cardinal, of what the feel is like inside the room. is it conversational and relaxed? are people tense? a sense of urgency? what does it feel like? >> i would have to be a real fortune teller to know what is

going on in that room right now. the one i was in that was after the death of a great, beloved extraordinary pontiff, john paul ii. so it was the spirit of john paul was in there, and we were desperately trying to find the man that would take his place. so it was a different kind of atmosphere. here, this is unusual where we're saying farewell to a dear friend, to one man who served so well the last seven, eight years, our upon tiff, benedict xvi, but there are differences. there are concerns in the world today. concerns within the system of the church, as we've heard so often from the media during the last few weeks, but also concerns in the world. we -- they need to find someone who will be the moral voice in the world today. they need to find someone who will remind the world that the

poor are getting poorer, and the fact that violence and wars are multiplying in our society and our world today. someone who will also look at the -- at the difficulty that many christians are having throughout the world. so we need this kind of a man. >> okay. >> then, sir, i'll bite. who is that man? you have given us the list of requirements as the next pope and nobody knows better than you who is in the running. who is the man that fulfills those things you ticked off? >> the one who god wants. that's what they say when they go to vote. they say i want to vote -- i want to vote for the man who god wants. we find out who that is. that is the whole job of the conclave. that's why it takes time. i was interested in talking about what they are doing now. they are also praying. they want to do this right. and they are -- they are talking

to each other, sure. having a little silence, chatting about different people who might be good. but they are also in their own private prayer. the conclave itself when it gets to the sistine chapel is a public prayer. a wonderful time, they can all pray together, but then there is time for private prayer. that's what's happening now too. besides those other things. >> cardinal mckerric, we appreciate your time. >> thank you. >> the cardinal dodged a little bit. but i'm interested in what said, which is sort of the tone. they are praying in addition to what chris talked about. i'm curious to know in the time when they can speak in between the rounds of voting, what are those conversations like? are they conversations -- give us a sense of what that is like? >> it's hard to know. even when they emerge from the conclave whenever it ends, they

won't talk about it, won't say a whole lot about it. they are under the oath of secrecy, not just pertaining to what goes on in the sistine chapel while they are voting, but the entire time. my sense, some of them are probably trying to wrestle in their own hearts with where they think the church needs to go and how it will all work, and there is a balance thing, we have been talking about the whole political piece of it and the campaigning or the camps and voting blocs, and at the same time, as cardinal mckerric just said, it's a deeply spiritual thing. you have to balance the influences and the movements, the current within the voting and that process which is what political. >> monsignor, isn't it true there are more catholics in south america and in africa and shouldn't there be a pope that is now outside of europe and reflects the broader world view? >> i think that seems to be one

of the big issues right now and perhaps the fact that we don't have a resolution yet, it really seems it's probably not the obvious candidate rising to the surface quickly. they have a much more broad base to choose from. they are looking at south america and looking at africa, might be looking at the philippines, the united states and north america. >> there is a political analogy. republican party, you have a changing democratic of the united states and a conservative base in elected officials in washington. everybody outside the cardinals are talking about change, and the cardinals are very conservative by and large, appointed by conservative administrations in the vatican. can this group pick somebody who is a change agent? >> the challenge for us as americans, the perspective we want to look at it as liberal conservatives. the church in the third world, in other parts of the world has a bit of a different perspective. there might be an american mind-set in some places that

would say the hierarchy and leadership of the church is perhaps out of step with the broad base of the faithful in the united states, and the church. in other countries, they might feel very differently about the liberal/conservative label. >> we'll continue to talk to white smoke, black smoke throughout the morning. >> and everything in between. >> the gray smoke that looked like it was billowing this morning. a man hunt under way after an apparent home invasion that turned into a host aim situatag in maryland. five people, three adults, two children, were inside the home at the time. police managed to gain entry, made sure everyone home was safe. they are still looking for the suspect right now. a volunteer fire fight forever long island, new york, got a huge surprise when he was called to his own home to battle the raging fire. a man slammed his pickup truck into the house and hit a gas

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a desperate search under way for a missing school teacher, 26 years old. terrilynn monnette from long beach, california. she vanished nearly two weeks ago in new orleans, she was celebrating just being nominated for a teacher of the year award. she told friends she would take a nap in her car before she drove home, she hasn't been seen or heard from since. thank you for joining us. what have investigators told you about what they know about what happened that night?

>> so far, i haven't received any information. i just know that they are requested equsearch, they will search the bodies of water out here, to check and see if there is any sign possibly of her. or her car. >> we should mention, everyboqu, they are the mounted search teams. this particular bar is close to city parks and they are going through this massive park, see if they can find any signs of her. tell me about terrilynn. i know it's unusual for her to be out of touch. i know it's unusual for her not to be close to her sister. her sister just had a baby. >> yes, that's correct. terrilynn and i, mother/daughter, we are really close. terrilynn, we talked to terrilynn every day. terrilynn was supposed to be the

baby's god mother. and i know she wouldn't have just left on her own like that. there is no way possible that she would have done that. >> what do you think has happened to her? >> i honestly think someone has taken her against her will. that's wt i truly believe. there is no way she would have slept in her car, first of all. i find that very odd. terrilynn doesn't sleep in her car, she is not comfortable, unless she is at home in her own bed. there is no way she would have got in her car and went to sleep. and i truly believe someone has her. >> so if let's say that is the case, if someone has grabbed your daughter, do you have a message for that person? what would you want them to know? >> i just want them to know to please bring my baby back home to me. please. it's very hard. it's very hard.

can you -- i can't sleep at night. i can't sleep at night. i can't eat. i keep thinking about my child and where she could be. i want her back. please, if you are watching this, please bring terrilynn home. please, that's all i want. i want her home. >> oh, my goodness, toni enclade, i hope someone brings your daughter back to you. and i hope the police can give you some clue of where she is. our hearts go absolutely out to you. >> thank you. >> we'll keep in touch, find out how this story is going for her. heart breaker. we have to take a break. we'll talk about the budget battle straight ahead in washington, d.c. that's ahead. ♪ ♪

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♪ welcome back, everybody. three votes, but no decision so far. we saw thick, black smoke coming out from the chimney on top of the sistine chapel. a sign, of course, that the 115 cardinal electors have not chosen a new pope. that's a live picture now. the next time we could see smoke coming from the chimney could be sometime this afternoon. cardinals will return for another round of balloting. if the cardinals cannot agree, voting will end for the day at 2:00 p.m. eastern. fascinating to watch. >> so fascinating to watch, and i think in this day and age with twitter and social media, not accustomed to waiting for things

the way we might have to wait for this, and if that's steeped into the cardinals. >> here they are encased in secrecy and we don't know what to do. >> it makes it more interesting. makes you want to know more. >> and the floor that blocks out any technology. couldn't, even if you could sneak in technology. >> can you imagine a cardinal, 79 years old, sneaking in a little video camera, leaking it on twitter? >> the catholic church, counterculture, being so old fashioned, turns out to be a great advantage in this hyper quick age. >> the pictures of the black smoke come outing, black, gray? you saw something like that. white, gray again and black to see really the reaction of the crowd to also try to determine, you know, what was happening there? >> people want to be there for the moment. >> even after a new pope is

selected, we don't get the reconstruction of how somebody won. >> they don't break it down for us. not political break through and analysis. >> in the 1200s, it took them 2 1/2 years. >> bread, water, wine, and that was it. >> maybe the budget would explode. >> can you imagine. john berman with other stories making news. >> this story, unfolded on national media. two high school football stars in steubenville, ohio, go on trail for rape. they are both 16, sexually assaulted a teenage girl at a party last summer. prosecutors claim the girl was intoxicated. defense attorneys believe there was consent. >> our position is rape did not occur. we believe that the truth is going to come out at this trial. the truth of the matter is, our client, trent mays, did not rape this young lady. a frantic search for a teacher who vanished in new

orleans nearly two weeks ago. 26-year-old terrilynn monnette was with friends to celebrate her nomination of teacher of the year. not been seen or heard from since that night. a nfew minutes ago, we heard frm her mother, making this tearful plea. >> i want them to know to please bring my baby home to me. please, this is very hard. it's very hard. can you -- i can't sleep at night. i can't sleep at night. i can't eat, i keep thinking about my child and where she could be. i just want her back. so, please, if you are watching this, please bring terrilynn home. please. that's all i want. i want her home. >> so hard to hear. our thoughts definitely with that family. and terrilynn monnette had been drinking and said she was going to nap in her car right before she disappeared.

bradley manning, in his own words. being court-martialed for providing information to wikileaks. recording not allowed in military courts, but the freedom of the press court has posted audio on its website. they snuck it out. a leaky video of an air strike in baghdad that killed eight men and wounded two children. >> i saved a copy of the video on my work station, at the time i placed the video and the rules of engagement information onto my personal laptop. on about 21 february 2010, the used the wlo submission form and up loaded the documents. >> manning pleaded guilty to ten criminal charges and misusing classified material, but denied aiding the enemy. mosquitos might as well be on steroids. 20 times normal size, feed day

and night and sting through clothing and they will be calling florida home this summer. we're told a bite from one of these mosquitos feels like a poke from a knife, entomologists blame last year's tropical storms for this year's invasion. >> can we go back to that? only in florida? >> seems they are down south. hopefully they don't move north. >> it's like a warp. >> about the size of a quarter. >> you can take them on a plane? not like a knife themlves? >> sounds awful. frankly. san traps, water, and sinkholes. the game of golf got tougher on one course in waterloo, illinois. mark mihal was playing on friday when a sinkhole swallowed him up in the middle of a fairway. plunged 18 feet into darkness of mud and knew he was in a lot of trouble. earlier he told us about this. and his buddies jumped in to

help. >> at first i just -- i actually thought about the poor family in florida, been on the news a lot. the sinkhole issue down there, and then darkness, just hoping to land on something, sometime soon and something hopefully not hard. >> mihal suffered a dislocated shoulder. geologists in the area said he better odds of winning the lottery than falling in the silk hole. >> lottery would have been a lot better. >> given the option, pick the lottery. let's talk politics. day two of the charm offensive. the president heading to capitol hill to meet with lawmakers. he met with democrats over lunch, today, house republicans. who unveiled a budget that they claim would balance the budget in ten years, the goal the president disagreed with last night. >> my goal is not to chase a balanced budget just for the sake of balance. my goal is to how do we grow the

economy, put people back to work, and if we do that, we'll bring in more revenue, if we control spending and we got a smart entitlement package, what you have is balance, but it's not balance on the backs of the poor or elderly or students who need student loans or families with disabled kids. not the right way to balance the budget. >> tom price is the republican from georgia. vice chair of the budget committee. nice to see you, sir. they call it a charm offensive. and the national journal quoted a white house who said this. this is a joke, waiting the president's time in hours. i hope are you all in the media happy because we are doing it for you. the white house official is not speaking accurately. do you think it's a waste of time. the charm offensive is actually kind of disjen white houingenuo?

>> there has to be trust on both sides. we will welcome the president to the capitol today, we look forward to what he has to say. this has to be more than one step this is the first step in a long process of getting together and working together to find the common ground so we can solve the incredible challenges we have in this country. >> what would you like him to say in the first step? what would you feel good about if he laid it out for you today? >> i hope it's just that. the policy differences are real and not going to be solved by one meeting. i hope what the president says is that i understand that republicans have the majority in the house. it's clear that we need to get together and find the common ground to solve val lengths and this is the beginning of an ongoing process, as opposed to checking the box as that reporter apparently thought it was going to be. >> you heard what the president said in a clip we played coming in. he don't want balance for the sake of balance. that actually the wrong kinds of

cuts hurtful to people would be hurtful. i think it was george stephanopoulos he was talking to. >> we believe it's important not how you balance, but the why? it's important to get the budge net balance and washington doesn't spend more money than it takes in. just like families can't, businesses across this country can't. the reason it's important for government to do this, it creates greater growth, more opportunity, more security for individuals and growth in the economy so that jobs can be created. more opportunity for young people to find jobs, 50% of young people can't find a job in their area of expertise. that's wrong and we need to get the economy thriving again. for seniors, we need to save, strengthen, and secure. medicare especially. on track right now under current law, the president's plan to go broke within ten years. we believe that is positive to make this happen. >> we heard from the president is the how actually, as much as

you say the house not that important, it sounds like the how is everything that balancing for the sake of balancing is going to be on the backs of the same list of people you just mentioned, students, elderly, poor people, that's actually problematic. >> the president hasn't brought his budget to congress this year. supposed to do it on february 4th. we look forward to seeing it. last budget spent $46 trillion. our budget spends $41 trillion, hardly draconian reductions this is a slower growth of spending to get the balance. clearly there is waste in washington. >> congressman -- >> the american people can't stop this. >> congressman, it's howard kurtz. let's talk about your budget. it includes the repeal of obama care. every member of your family knows that won't happen. basically a political statement. >> no, we believe this ought to be the priorities for the country and we don't believe the

president's health care law is not wise. >> there was an election and barack obama was re-elected. you don't seriously believe that the congress will repeal? >> howard, costs are going up quality being diminished. we believe there is a better way. a better way to save, strengthen, and secure, and to provide medicaid and provide health coverage for the american people. that's what we believe. that's our vision, the starting point. we look forward to the senate budget. they haven't done one in four years, and we look forward to the common ground to look forward. >> i love when they show the name of our show, starting point into their answer. this particular budge set not necessarily the repeal of obama care, but mad they are keeping $624 billion that came out of the fiscal cliff deal. what about that? >> we believe tax reform ought to occur so we get a pro-growth

tax policy to get the economy rolling again. we'll charge the ways and means committee with doing that. come out with some white papers that provide a construct for that and we're excited about that excited about making certain we bring down tax rates for individuals and businesses, we have the highest business corporate rate in the industrialized world. that doesn't create jobs for anybody. that's a disincentive for job creation. wonderful reforms to get that economy rolling again and jobs created again in the house budget. we look forward to the debate that's going to come. >> tom price joining thus morning. thank you for joining us. >> thank you, soledad. >> you bet. actress gwenneth paltrow has an interesting rule for her children. no carbs. we'll talk about that. and we'll talk about jillian michaels if that's healthy at all. she has written a new book called "slim for life."

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the actress gwenneth pagaigw has a new cookbook "it's all good" is the name and her family, including her 8-year-old daughter apple and 6-year-old son moses don't eat pasta, bread, rice, other carbs. everyone in her house is gluten and dairy intolerant. we sometimes don't eat pasta, bread, white rice, we are left with a specific hunger that comes with avoiding carbs. i didn't realize they were all gluten inly to rent. >> but her name is apple, and she can't eat fruit? >> that's an interesting connection.

>> is that a realistic way to live? how long can you keep that up? >> you don't eat all of this all the time. >> cutting out pasta bread, rice. some of those things very processed. i can't wait to talk to julian michaels on this. i'm off on a limb. she can fill us in. some of the stuff very processed and get a kid away from eating processed food -- >> without hot dogs and grilled cheese, there would be no food that my kid would eat in my house. >> they go tie frieto a friend' eat a cupcake. >> i was on a restricted diet, and i have 7-year-old twins. i live in the fear of father are of daughters of introducing food/body images. >> does that apply to processed food is bad for you? so guess what?

bleached flour, probably avoiding that, is not such a bad thing. and guess what? pasta made of white flour, probably not a bad thing to having trouble with eating that. >> i have a hard time -- i love italian food. what can i say? >> i just want to eat it. >> speaking of diet talk, we'll chat with celebrity trainer jillian michaels. known being kind of hard core of getting people in shape. a new book called slim for life. really interesting tips in that. she's up next. hi, jillian, nice to see you. for those nights

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jillian michaels known as the ultimate tough love grainer. we've seen the tough. been on 11 seasons of "the biggest loser." listen. >> the only way are you coming off this damn treadmill is if you die off. go, go, go, go, go, go! and every time you want to quit, you think about your father, dropped dead on the treadmill. go, go! >> oh, my god. you scare me. >> that's like a 5-year-old clip. wow. >> i didn't realize you have been on that long. "slim for life." i love this book. you give tips in terms of value. for example, over food. what is the best thing you can possibly do? throw up some of those you give three points to. you say don't skip meals, say it

loud. get rid of whatever is on the screen. follow me. there you go. i have mine right here. don't skip meals. a real reason why you shouldn't skip meals. you shouldn't graze at the same time. >> exactly. don't eat throughout the day, the whole small meals throughout the day is an absolute myth. keeps insulin surging all day long, terrible for weight loss, and when you skip meals, you become overly hungry. four by four. four meals, every four hours, four times a day. >> say it loud. one-point tip. >> where you have that moment in the middle of the night where you go to the pantry again, say it out loud. i amiting five more cookies at this momenin time. >> why does that help? >> it actually helps you shift from the impulsive part of the brain to a part of your brain more about reason and logic and creates a pause and gets you to question your behaviors and

think things through. >> i would do better if you would come and yell at me as i'm going to the refrigerator. >> you may not feel that way. >> exercise. top level tip. consistency is key. is that really the thing that will keep you losing weight? >> with weight loss, absolutely. being consistent with your diet program, with your exercise regimen is what will get you results. if you start a fad diet for a month, and it's not sustainable, you will go back to the old way, you will put the weight back on and then some. you want to find a program. simple, manageable tips. no deprivation. >> remodel your muscle. sounds like plastic surgery. wait a minute, i think i can do that. >> without any of the cost. the idea is that the way you work out, you can work out for a half an hour and get just as good of results, if not better as if you were in the gym for an hour. it's how you train, high intensity interval training,

upper and lower body lift at the same time. working in an elevated heart rate 85% of your max. >> be youthful while are you doing it. >> exactly. >> gwenneth paltrow, i'm not sure to the degree she is cutting all carbs out, or just the processed ones. a smart idea for kids that are gluten intolerant? >> that means they have celiac's disease. this sort of another trend. most of us are not gluten intolera intolerant. foods without gluten have less fiber, more calories and less nutrients, so unless you have celiac's disease, you don't need to be worrying about gluten. that's 100% not true. >> morning tv confessions, i lost 30 pounds in the last seven months. i did it as a post chemo

anti-inflammatory diet. cut out grain of all kind, starch, sugar, milk, and yogurt. i want to ask you about the sugar. a ton of research that sugar is very toxic, and i think most of the weight i lost, i didn't do it for that reason, though i'm happy to have the weight off, was because of the sugar. if you cut one thing out of my diet, it should be sugar? >> i would never, ever do that. that is the worst thing you can do, simply because it's not manageable. you aren't going to go the rest of your life without a bite of brownie. >> i have a candy bar every morning. it works. >> sugar in moderation is okay. so the rule, i have an 80/20 rule, 20% of the time, have a piece of pizza, have a cookie. 80% of the time, make the better choice. is it sustainable? i highly doubt it. >> can you be skinny and not work out?

>> absolutely. but you might not be healthy. >> you are the only person who has ever said that. "slim for life." nice to have you with us. >> thank you. >> take a break. we'll be back in a moment. [ female announcer ] new york strips. sudden trips. mr. wiggles and curling irons. for the little mishaps you feel, use neosporin to help you heal. it kills germs so you heal four days faster neosporin. also try neosporin eczema essentials. neosporin. but that doesn't mean i don't want to make money.stor.

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